Thought leaders discuss the key roles within the multidisciplinary team.
Watch as thought leaders discuss a surgeon’s role in patient education and the importance of the multidisciplinary team.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Hello, I'm Toby Campbell, and I'm a medical oncologist.
Dr. Linda Martin: Hi, my name is Dr. Linda Martin and I'm a thoracic surgeon.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Before we get started with our presentation, let's get through our disclaimer slide. This program is presented on behalf of Genentech and the information presented is consistent with FDA guidelines. We have been compensated by Genentech to serve as speakers for this program. This program is intended to provide general information about treatment options for patients with resectable non-small cell lung cancer, and not medical advice for any particular patient. All materials are the property of Genentech and may not be recorded, photographed, copied or reproduced. The resectable non-small cell lung cancer treatment space is evolving quickly, not only in terms of surgical advances, but also in terms of biomarker testing, and the availability of systemic therapy options, such as immunotherapy.
Dr. Linda Martin: Thanks for joining a brief discussion about not only the growing role of the surgeon in educating and preparing patients with resectable, non-small cell lung cancer for systemic treatment, but also how the multidisciplinary team can be leveraged to keep every member current with the evolving treatment landscape.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Patients with early-stage non-small cell lung cancer may expect that surgery plus or minus radiation therapy is sufficient to treat their non-small cell lung cancer. However, it has been found that 62 to 76% of patients with stage two and three non-small cell lung cancer have recurrence within five years, despite curative resection. Less than half of patients who have surgery 47% receive systemic therapy for their early stage or locally advanced disease, as opposed to surgery alone at 53%.
Dr. Linda Martin: As more treatment regimens are approved for patients with resectable non-small cell lung cancer, the role of the surgeon has evolved. And surgeons have to be prepared to discuss systemic treatment therapy options with the patient. Historically, surgery was the primary focus for many surgeons when speaking about patients with non-small cell lung cancer, but now we need to consider the patient and their care holistically. The surgeon guidance can help patients understand considerations involved and undergoing treatment and prepare patients for the possibility that they might need additional therapy after surgery. Surgeons have unique ability to build trust early in the patient's cancer journey that represents an opportunity to discuss additional non-surgical treatment options. And surgeons can leverage that trust that they've built with the patient to help address concerns they might have around systemic treatment options. Furthermore, surgeons can communicate to patients that decision making might change as intraoperative or true pathologic staging becomes better defined. And with so many treatment options out there for resectable non-small cell lung cancer, it's important to consider all of the appropriate treatment recommendations and keep up with the data that is constantly evolving and coming out every national meeting.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Now surgeons may be hesitant to recommend a specific systemic therapy to a patient worried that it might be different from what the medical oncologist might recommend. And this really just serves to underscore the importance of the multidisciplinary team and the relationships that we have with one another and our ability to discuss a patient's care as it's evolving to make sure that we're on the same page. Coordinating patient care is an important step at academic centers and for community oncologists and surgeons. This may appear in the form of tumor boards, or different specialties come to discuss cases or less formally, such as phone calls or hallway conversations.
Dr. Linda Martin: medical oncologists are a critical resource in providing up-to-date information. And partnerships with surgeons can help set expectations for patients about potential systemic treatment options.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Surgeons are an integral part of multidisciplinary discussions. And no matter how varied the interactions among the multidisciplinary team may appear, it's important to know that there is no one correct way. Rather, what's most important is to use this multidisciplinary team discussion to arrive at a consensus treatment recommendation in order to provide the best care for patients. Multidisciplinary team discussions can lead to improved clinical decision making. Therefore, NCCN guidelines currently recommend patients with non-small cell lung cancer be evaluated by a multidisciplinary team before starting treatment. Because of the multiple treatment strategies available for resectable non-small cell lung cancer, the timing for biomarker testing has been occurring earlier in the course of the disease, as it is often used to direct treatment strategies. It takes time to get biomarker testing back and the sooner we can get that underway, the more effective the consultation will be when the patient reaches medical oncology. In fact, the NCCN guidelines recommend testing surgical tissue for biopsy for biomarkers including PD-L1 status, EGFR mutations, and
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ALK rearrangements in stage IB-IIIA and T3, N2 IIIB non-small cell lung cancer. These biomarkers can help determine which among the currently approved therapeutic regimens may be the most appropriate for patients.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Dr. Martin, perhaps the easiest way to think about this might be to just go through an example, let me tell you about a 64-year-old woman with newly diagnosed adenocarcinoma of the lung. She had a right lower lobe primary nodule, and she completed staging studies, including a CT and PET scan and brain MRI. She had EBUS staging. And a diagnosis was made of non-small cell lung cancer of 5.2-centimeter primary mass and the right lower lobe and lymph nodes were negative.
Dr. Linda Martin: Great, do we have any biomarker testing on her?
Dr. Toby Campbell: Biomarker testing was done1 There were no actionable mutations found under PD-L1 was 20%.
Dr. Linda Martin: Okay, so what I see patients like this quite a bit in the clinic. And when I meet with a patient like this, I'll start out with stating what I think their stages and then explaining how that impacts treatment and letting them know that this is going to be a combination of surgery and systemic therapy. And the big question is just the sequencing of that. And I think that helps set the expectations that it's not just surgery, and then they move on that it is going to be a course of treatment. And in a case like this, where the symptoms are minimal, they're otherwise healthy, often we would go with a surgery first approach, and then talk about doing adjuvant, afterwards. One of the reasons being we'll get complete pathologic staging and more certainty of the stage by doing surgery first. What are your thoughts on that?
Dr. Toby Campbell: I often talk about that advantage in terms of guiding next therapeutic steps based on a true known pathologic stage. And I think that's a really compelling argument for patients as well as for medical oncologists. I'm curious how you set the patient up when they come back to medical oncology in that post operative setting, just with the knowledge that more treatment might be necessary.
Dr. Linda Martin: Well, yeah, mentioning it from the very first encounter is a step towards managing expectations and giving a timeframe on what they might anticipate. I also like to involve my medical oncologists, even if it's just a phone call or a tumor board discussion, rather than a patient visit early on, so that they can plan ahead with scheduling a visit with a patient concurrent with my post op visits, once we have pathology and that helps save additional trips and avoids delays in treatment delivery.
Dr. Toby Campbell: Yeah, I really liked the opportunity to closely collaborate, it lets patients know that we really are on the same page. Sometimes we see patients on the same day where we can really demonstrate that we are all working together to their benefit.
Dr. Linda Martin: So, to summarize, surgeons are an important part of the multidisciplinary management of lung cancer, it has become much more of a team sport than it used to be in the past. We're all working to get the best possible outcome for our patients and remembering that we're just one aspect of their care is really helpful. And we need to queue things up to help each other be able to navigate these discussions and decisions with our patients.
Dr. Toby Campbell: This multidisciplinary approach and the coordination between different providers with different levels of training and different types of expertise allows us to work together to provide patients the very best treatment possible. We hope that this information has been helpful today. And we would like to thank you for joining us.
Dr. Linda Martin: Thank you.
MDT=multidisciplinary team; NSCLC=non-small cell lung cancer.
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